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olmate
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Prediabetes tests

Post by olmate » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:46 pm

Hello support forum, I have been laying low because of severe back problem which is now under control.
So now Im pre diabetic with hyperglycemia. From what I understand from what Iv read is that My pancreas isn't producing enough Insulin to break the red blood cells down to convert them to energy so the red cells bank up thus causing hyperglycemia. I hope someone can shed a bit of light on this as I'm sick and tired of feeling sick and tired all the time.
I have gotten off the Targin for the back pain and the antidepressants they gave me because I was feeling down but I would have been much better off if they tried to find out what is wrong with my pancreas because the antidepressants made me feel even worse. I'm feeling a bit better now but still suffering fatigue. Any input would be greatly appreciated
Iv had more blood tests and ultrasound done this week and get the results on Saturday, ya never know which way its gonna go :x

Thank you all

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Post by maz » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:35 am

Hi Olmate. Most other forums and I would be saying 'welcome back' but here when someone returns it usually means something isn't going well, so I am sorry about your problems. I am glad your back issues have improved. It doesn't sound like they have got to the bottom of your problems though, so I hope they have some answers at the weekend and also they can help with your fatigue etc. I do need to go and re-learn about diabetes as I have forgotten most of what I knew, and last annual check I was kind of pre pre-diabetes, so got a warning :roll: However we do have some experienced diabetics here who can offer more help. Have you been told what not to eat and what is better to eat? There is a lot of information online to help with that.

A question from me to those with diabetes and are older is how do they know if someone with pancreatitis is heading for, or has, the more 'expected' Type 2 or the more difficult Type 3c? Is it down to symptoms, blood tests or what? Whilst it is different for the patient, is the treatment the same? Thanks.
Marilyn

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Re: Prediabetes tests

Post by olmate » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:59 am

Hello maz...thank you for your reply.
Im a bit confused as to why the doctors know im pre diabetic and know iv had pancreatitis yet when i mention my pancreas as the cause they fob me off and tell me to lose weight (which i should)but its been a bit hard when i have absolutely have bugger all energy and could barely walk for 3 years. It seems to me from what iv read that i need more insulin to break down the rbc to get more energy. Im hoping someone here can give me a better picture of what may be going on before my next appointment, anyway im going to ask my doctor to see a specialist but im not sure which specialist a pancreas, diabetes or both.

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Re: Prediabetes tests

Post by maz » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:15 am

I can't remember how bad your chronic pancreatitis is, so went and had a look back at your old posts. I don't know is you know, but we lost about a year's worth of posts due to a serious spam attack, and it means a lot of important information from members has been lost. It looks like your early posts aren't there. Maybe you could do a quick overview of your history of your pancreatitis will help if you can. What is there are your posts about low Vitamin D. Is that okay now?

It might be you have pre Type 2, so losing weight and starting cutting the sugars would be the first step to stop proceeding to actual Type 2. Sadly it is common as we get older, and particularly when overweight, and is becoming more common in younger people as weight issues and poor eating become worse. That certainly would be a good idea anyway. I have managed to lose a little weight and brought my numbers down again. Yes, if you have chronic pancreatitis we would automatically think it would be Type 3c, but maybe it isn't. Goes back to my question at the end of my first reply.

I will leave anything else to the diabetics with more knowledge now.
Marilyn

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Post by olmate » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:58 am

Thank you again maz.....
Im a 58yo male who drank a bit(quite a bit) of mid strength beer, NO spirits. The 3 flareups I had all involved eating nectarines on all the days I was crook and were probably sprayed with Organophosphates which I have read can cause acute pancreatitis
A quick run down......I was on holiday Nov 2012 and felt very nauseous and pain in my abdomen (NOT upper near ribs), 2 days later the same thing, then mid Jan 2013 I felt the same thing but worse so i went to emergency at my local hospital and was admitted in front of everyone else. Within 20 mins I had a drip in me and was given morphine which made me vomit every time :oops: . After 3 days I was then transferred to a city hospital and spent over a week there and was told not to drink alcohol for at least 6 months.(I waited over six and a half years before I had a beer)I haven't had a bad enough attack since to go to hospital so I'm wondering if the first attack might have done enough damage to my pancreas that it might not produce enough insulin to break down the red blood cells for energy. I tend to feel ok(still no energy) for a couple of weeks then I crash big time for about a week and cant do anything. I was hoping someone here might have had a similar experience (sorry if anyone has) that might be able to point me in the right direction as what might happen. I cant see how diet will help if I'm not producing enough insulin. If i could get some energy back I would love to go walking every day.

Thank you so much
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Re: Prediabetes tests

Post by MikeyB » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:16 am

If you have only had a single episode of acute pancreatitis, then the chances are you haven’t got chronic pancreatitis because you don’t need Creon to replace missing digestive juices. Given that, there isn’t enough pancreatic damage to cause a reduction in insulin production.

The advice given by your doctor is perfectly appropriate. I’ve got very restricted mobility because of neurological problems, but I’m losing weight - 4kg in 5 months - by the simple expedient of eating less, particularly carbohydrates. It can be done.

The other thing I should tell you is that full blown acute pancreatitis has a 25% chance of killing you. Whether or not your first episode was related to alcohol consumption, alcohol causes pancreatic damage. So that 25% is the risk you run, and you don’t know which drink will do it.

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Re: Prediabetes tests

Post by olmate » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 pm

Hello MikeyB....Thank you for your thoughts, sounds like you have things under control...Well done

I neglected to mention that I had severe acute necrotizing pancreas which has left the tail part dead. This is why im wondering if enough damage has been done to cause lack of insulin being produced and causing fatigue. As I said before i would love walking but if im suffering fatigue it makes it a little bit hard to do anything.

Thank you

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Re: Prediabetes tests

Post by MikeyB » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:31 pm

I’m a bit different, though, in two ways. I’ve been T1 diabetic for 23 years, and I’ve had CP for around 3 years. I’ve never had acute pancreatitis, or indeed any pain.

Even if it was the tail of the pancreas that got nailed, there will be plenty enough pancreas left to produce insulin. As I said, the evidence for that is that there is enough pancreas left to produce digestive enzymes, which is why I think your doc’s advice is the right way to go.

Weight loss isn’t rocket science. If your mobility decreases, yet you eat normally, you will gain weight. The trick is to eat fewer calories than you body needs, easiest done by reducing your carbohydrate intake.

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